Three Blind mice…

My dear Friend,

I am glad we are at least in partial agreement, as emerged from your most recent comment.

You mention that Freemasonry tolerates all but do not prescribe any religion.”

That is true and that is the problem, don’t you see? God does not want us to tolerate other religions or gods. We must acknowledge Him as the ONLY God. That is His commandment. Jesus said we must love God with our whole heart, mind, soul and all our strength. That clearly means to put God number one in our lives and by doing that we should be obedient to His will, as is clearly expressed in His Word.

Now bear in mind, there are hundreds of arguments I can use to proof to you that a Christian can not (should not) be a Freemason but I have elected to use just this one as it is the foundation of the argument.

It is elementary!

To go one step further is to move to the second commandment, where we sin by creating a god that suits ourselves; “My God will not do this, or, my God will not do that.” That is called idolatry.  You can also go to the right-hand column and read; “What every Freemason should know.” , that I have just added today.

You say Jews pray to Jahveh, Muslims to Allah etc. so how does that make a Christian Freemason transgress God’s law?

Well, look at it this way,

When you become a Freemason you lay down an oath, right? (Now that is already a transgression because you know we should not make an oath.)

In that oath you promised, amongst many other things, allegiance to the prescripts of the Order, that is it’s constitution, rules, regulations and doctrine, not so?

Now if you look at that constitution, rules, regulations and rituals etc., you wil see what exactly you actually bound yourself to with a solemn oath. One of the things is recognition and tolerance of all other religions. This pact is sealed by your further promise not ever to have any form of religious discussions with your Brethren, (so even should you become doubtful of the wisdom of having taken that oath, you will never have the opportunity of discussing it with your peers). Now that is an example of how clever the Devil works in all of this.

So even if you say, “yes but…” it is there, firm as a rock. You are bound!

You say. Unfortunately some of the commandments are open to different interpretations in our daily lives.

My dear, dear friend. What utter, utter darkness you are in. Only Satan can cause one to misread the simplest of rules that even a child can understand. Pray tell which ones present a problem, maybe I can help.

“There is none as blind as him that does not want to see!”

Finally, yes, on one other thing we seem to agree. We should love our neighbors as ourselves. That is every single human being on this planet of whatever creed, colour, culture or religion. We should love them enough to lay down our lives for them, as Jesus did for us.

Please see my efforts here as an attempt to reach out in love. I want to warn you and every single brother in the Order about the serious danger they are in. What danger? The danger of spending all eternity in Hell.

Please take heed and listen! Open your eyes and your hearts before it is too late!

God Bless.

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5 Responses to “Three Blind mice…”

  1. Martin Says:

    Dear Friend,

    I suggest you go back and read my previous post properly and please do not ever try to put words in my mouth or miss quote me again. I dont care you calling me names. Sticks and stones will break my bones but your words, never ever. Let us debate only one point at a time, so that nobody duck and dive answering the post in totality.

    The Bible and oaths:

    There are some Christians who understand the Bible to teach that it is wrong to take any oath at any time. I don’t understand the Bible to say that. Not at all.
    Here’s some of what the Bible says about oaths:
    1. God swears oaths. In fact, we could speak of the Bible itself as divided into the “Old Oath” and the “New Oath.” A “Testament” is a promise to transfer property. The Bible says God made these promises under a solemn oath. No oath, no salvation.
    • Hebrews 7:20-22 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath {21} (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: “The LORD has sworn And will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek'”), {22} by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
    2. As God is holy, we are to be holy [1 Peter 2:16 / Leviticus 11:44]. So the Bible has numerous provisions regarding our oath-taking.
    • The most obvious is the Third Commandment, “Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.” “Taking the Lord’s Name” means making an oath. The commandment is not that it should never be done, but that it not is done in vain, or falsely. In fact, God wants us to take His Name. It’s a way of praising Him:
    • Deuteronomy 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve Him, and shalt swear by His Name.
    • Deuteronomy 10:20 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; Him shalt thou serve, and to Him shalt thou cleave, and swear by His Name.
    3. In some circumstances, swearing an oath is commanded by God.
    • Exodus 22:10-11 “If a man delivers to his neighbor a donkey, an ox, a sheep, or any animal to keep, and it dies, is hurt, or driven away, no one seeing it, {11} then an oath of the LORD shall be between them both, that he has not put his hand into his neighbor’s goods; and the owner of it shall accept that, and he shall not make it good.” Taking oaths has a long history among God’s people. Certain groups, however, have taken a statement of Jesus to mean we should never swear an oath at all. Ever. I have heard stories of Christians who have cut their hands off to “obey” Jesus. Literally, with a knife, one would cut his hand off. It was a proud symbol of their “total dedication” to Jesus. You may remember that Jesus said, But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. {29} and if thy right eye offends thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. {30} and if thy right hand offends thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:28-30
    “No more traditional religion for us!! We’re led by the Spirit!” If you want to really follow Jesus you have to poke your eye out, right? Wrong. We need to be sensible and Godly people. God doesn’t want all His children to have only one hand and one eye. Jesus isn’t saying “Cut your hand off!” He’s saying “Don’t lust!” Isn’t that obvious? In fact, I would even say that anyone who pokes his eye out is disobeying Jesus. Jesus says that lust is so bad that it would be better to have only one eye and not lust than to have both eyes but keep lusting. “Don’t lust!” is the point. But don’t stop using your eyes altogether! God gave you eyes: use them the way He instructs you. Jesus was a very powerful, dynamic personality. He shook up the complacent couch potatoes of His day. The people He addressed were often lukewarm, self-centered sinners. Those in positions of authority were greedy liars. People looked up to them, and they were misled. This is terrible. It angered Jesus. His rhetoric is not always understood by wimps and hypocrites. Now consider the passage which has led some Christians to never take an oath. Jesus says “Swear not at all” (Matthew 5:34). As with the “cut off your hand” command, this command has to be seen in the context of sins and abuses by wimps and hypocrites. Jesus is trying to end an abuse of something good, not to end that good thing itself. Eyes are good, if we use them right. So are oaths. But the Jews were misusing them:
    {16} Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! {17} ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? {18} And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. {19} ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? {20} whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. {21} And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by Him that dwelleth therein. {22} And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by Him that sitteth thereon. Matthew 23:16-22
    The Jewish leaders were trying to appear to be real holy (“I will take a sacred oath!”), and trying to get people to believe them (“I swear by the Temple!”) but they had no intention of keeping their promise (“I didn’t swear by the gold of the Temple!” So Jesus is talking to liars and hypocrites. He wants to shake them up so they will repent. So here are the famous words:
    Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, “You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.” {34} But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: {35} nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. {36} neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. {37} but let your communication be, yea, yea; nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
    Matthew 5:33-37
    Jesus says it would be better never to swear an oath at all than to use it like the Jewish leaders were: to sin. I believe God wants me to use my eyes and my oaths the right way, not to eliminate them completely. So I have no objection to oaths per se. Reformed Theology has always seen the oath as an act of religious worship. A well-known expositor of the theology of the Reformation, A.A. Hodge, a Professor at Princeton, wrote in 1869 about the requirements of God’s Law:
    1. A lawful oath consists in calling upon God, the occasion being of sufficient seriousness and importance, to witness the truth of what we affirm as true, or our voluntary assumption of an obligation to do something in the future-with an implied imprecation of God’s disfavor if we lie or prove unfaithful to our engagements. This last is generally expressed by the phrase forming the concluding part of the formula of most oaths, “So help me God; i.e. let God so help me as I have told the truth, or as I will keep my promise.
    Hence an oath is an act of supreme religious worship, since it recognizes the omnipresence, omniscience, absolute justice and sovereignty of the Person whose august witness is invoked, and whose judgment is appealed to as final.
    2. It hence follows that it is a sin equivalent to that of worshipping a false god if we swear by any other than the only true and living God; and a sin of idolatry if we swear by any thing or place, although it be associated with the true God.
    This principle is fully recognized in Scripture. We are told to swear by the true God: “Unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear,” Isa. xlv.23; “He that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth,” Isa. lxv.16; “Thou shalt fear JEHOVAH thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name,” Deut. vi.13. We are forbidden to swear by the name of false gods: “How shall I pardon the for this? Thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods.” Jer.v.7; Josh. xxiii.7.
    3. The literal meaning of the Third Commandment is, “Thou shalt not take the name of thy God in that which is false”-that is, to confirm an untruth. The command not to take a false oath, or any oath upon a trifling occasion, by implication carries with it the permission to call upon the God of truth to confirm the truth upon all worthy occasions. Hence the oath is enjoined in the Old Testament as a recognized religious institution. Deut. vi.13; x.10, etc.
    Throughout the history of Western Civilization, oaths have been understood to be solemn declarations made in the presence of God, to whom we are accountable.

    So mote it be in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ

  2. Aaron Says:

    It is amazing the pablum you prattle on about. Why don’t you go and discover Christ and become the Christian you think you are instead of hurling clods at the heads of good Christians who are Masons? And by extension the good Hindus, Buddhists, Shintos, Native Americans, and others.

    Perhaps you should turn your venom toward the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts both of which are open to children of any religion who believe in a God. They even come complete with their own non-denominationaln non-Christ mentioning prayers.

    Meanwhile, we await your demonstration that you are anything other than a hatefull tool of darkness. Satan’s pal as it were. I have pitty for your family and the damnation you will bring on them with your ugliness.

  3. corrie Says:

    dont worry anothermouse,they are totally blindfolded as we were when we were there,GOD knows who is his true children, us or them,remember before the flood came, noah tried in vain to change the people to belive in GOD, we all know what happened, when the floud came and the water rised, all the pagans and non believers or thought they believed knocked on the ark and beg noah to open for them to enter, what did noah say ? sorry cannot open because GOD locked the door, what does this piece mean ? be sure you are saved before JESUS comes, and no pagan that does not believe JESUS is GODs son will be saved ans so also the ones who sided and prayed wth those pagans as the masons knowingly does, i pray that you see the wrong and repent so you can also join us when our KING JESUS comes. Amen

  4. Rebel Says:

    The biggest problem here is that it’s the old typical “I’m saved but you’re going to hell” argument. Ever wonder why so many Catholics turned Atheist? Ask some Atheists and you’ll find it’s that very same attitude… I’ve even heard a wiccans whine about it…

    Bravo! Great job! Offending other Christians, showing them how one can judge others with little regard to facts and ignorance, doing so at the same time ignoring any teachings within the Bible itself. It’s that hypocrisy that Anton LaVey pointed out to so many who were already upset about that same exact thing that lured so many away from Christianity. Ever stop and think about that?

    And now, here you are shaking your fingers at the same organization that built a nation based upon freedom of religion, diversity, and morality. You’re doing this while a HUGE group of Liberal Atheists are wanting to change it, end religion – aka “New Atheism”. Way to go… Attack the one organization that helps fight to keep religion and morality…You’re so “Intelligent.”

    You’re also attacking an organization that spends millions a day to help those in need – free medical care, scholarships, food, etc… What’s your plan to those countless individuals who receive such kind charity, just remove it? Boy, that sure sounds like a moral plan…so anti-Christian of you.

    And the organization stands for friendship, morality and brotherly love…this you attack? Faith, hope and charity? Two thumbs up for really attacking such a horrible group?

    And you say God does not promote diversity? Wages war on anyone that’s not Christian? You almost sound either Muslim or siding with Hitler’s thought process there… No, I remember “Judge not.” Not to mention Freemasonry is not a religion so – when it comes to diversity it’s a lot like the work place, school, etc…The only requirement, and difference: no Atheist. You going to shut down all schools, corporations, hospitals now are you?

    Oaths…no oaths…just obligations. We all take obligations when we sign agreements, make a pledge, etc. Think about it a little.

    With all of the evangelicals, missionaries, preachers, and even old Gospel singers that are Masons, who are you to judge them? Out of all of the service men in the military, the doctors who saves lives and the EMTs and fire fighters… Masonry is about men striving to better men by way of morality and doing great things in life working for a better tomorrow, making a difference. What are you doing and what have you done lately?
    I can name many good things we’ve done, come up with a list…care to compare? We receive no profit, expect nothing in return.

    We just don’t go to church and let that be it…Where we are, we live what we preach, what we learn in the Holy Bible. Not to brag but to make a point…we don’t turn people away from Christianity, we strive to set a good example so people will take notice and honor God. How about you?

  5. Rebel Says:

    In other words…we’re having to clean up your mess. While so many of you turn people away from Christianity, we’re still living as Christians and showing diversity, morality and charity. We’re still showing that there are God fearing men that are willing to go above and beyond to help anyone and show that kindness and brotherly love still exist.

    We do this while you’re on your rants and yelling at everyone that they’re going to hell and they are not worthy, etc…

    And you wonder why your techniques don’t work? If you want to save someone, start with yourself first. I recommend studying the Bible, not just reading it…understand it…and being living it before preaching.

    Actually, let someone more qualified preach, you just listen and learn.

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