A Matter of Viewpoint

There are many reasons why a Christian can not be a Freemason.

One of the most profound and most unambiguous  reasons is the following;

[ The fact that ] Freemasonry acknowledges all religions of the world as  equal and give equal credence to each of them. One can be a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu or a Christian and all are equally welcome in Lodge. Freemasonry regards no religion as being superior to any other and leaves it to the individual member to decide for himself which religion to follow.

Furthermore, in order to maintain this “tolerance” Freemasonry forbids discussions on religion inside Lodge, so “as not to offend” those brethren of the other religions.

This is in direct opposition to what the Bible teaches, as I will show shortly.

Freemasonry prides itself in the fact that it strives toward the ideal of “brotherly love” and one of the ways in which it aims to achieve it is by is this “tolerance” toward other religions. At first glance it appears to be most laudable of them to do so, especially when we recall the untold grief and misery that religious intolerance has indeed caused in the past and is still causing.

So if it seems to be such a good thing how can anyone gainsay it?

I received the following comment recently from a reader stating;

Your argument falls apart because my sitting next to someone who is praying to a different god doesn’t mean that I acknowledge his god or place his god on the same Level as my God. What should I do in a crowd when a moment of silence is called for? Should I kill anyone who isn’t a Christian? Should I leave? Should I make a scene? What would you recommend?Our argument isn’t that we do so much for charity, our argument is that we are not a religion! We are a fraternity. I’m sorry, but you folks are just plain clueless!

My reply to him is the following;

Hallo again and thank you for your comment.

You say my argument falls apart because, “my sitting next to someone who is praying to a different god doesn’t mean that I acknowledge his god or place his god on the same level as my God.”

Well, I must respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree with you on that point and I will do my best to explain why.

You see, we have to carefully consider from which viewpoint it is we are looking from when we say such a thing as you have said, because it depends entirely on who’s point of view we are looking at when we make such a statement.

On the surface it does seem very laudable for masons to be so tolerant of other people’s religions especially if we recall that throughout history differences in religion has caused untold grief and suffering and continues to do so today.

Yet if we search a bit deeper into the matter and apply a godly perspective to this issue i.e. if we consider how God would look at it, it becomes clear that there is a real problem.

Why? Because God sees the matter differently.

But how is it possible for us mere mortals to know what God thinks on a matter? It is real easy to get that answer because God is very clear on this issue in His Word, the Bible.

If one happens to care what God thinks about a matter, one would take care to search the matter out;  if on the other hand one is not really interested or concerned about what God thinks about a matter, the matter will not be researched from God’s perspective and things will stay as they are.

I do however think that you are indeed interested in what God might think about the issue because you have read this blog and have bothered to comment on it.

So what does God think about the issue?

In His Word God makes it abundantly clear that he is the only God and besides Him there are no other gods. (Isaiah 45:5, 46:9) (John 14:6) (Acts 4:12) He also makes it very clear that He is deeply outraged if we (any one of us) call upon another god or gods.

We are commanded to have nothing to do with those who confess otherwise and to depart from them (Ephesians 5:11-12) (2 Cor. 6:14)

Can there be any question then about how God sees the issue? I really do not think so. If you are honest and if you care about what God thinks about this matter you have no option but to agree.

So, if you are sitting in Lodge next to say a Hindu brother mason in Lodge during a prayer to the GAOTU, in a lodge that has relegated your God to the same level as his and all other false gods, what are you actually saying. Recall that when you were initiated into Freemasonry you agreed to accept and abide by all its rules, regulations and precepts as binding on yourself, meaning that you accept and are in full agreement. And you did that by an OATH! So what you are indeed actually saying indirectly, is that you approve of all this, by the mere fact of your presence! Just think about this carefully and honestly for a minute.

Furthermore, we should be witnessing to those other brothers of ours who have not met the Lord yet; how can we sit still and say nothing, knowing full well the terrible eternal consequences that our silence might contribute to the lot of our brethren. And that (witnessing to our brethren about Jesus) is expressly forbidden in Lodge, because they say it would cause unnecessary conflict and it may offend some.

“What should I do … Should I leave?… What would you recommend?” you said.

So what can I recommend you to do?

Firstly, that you draw near to the Lord in prayer and ask him to reveal the truth to you. He promises never to turn away anybody that calls on Him.

He said he is the way the truth and the life (John 14:6). He also gave us the assurance that God’s word, is the truth. (John 17:17)

He also  promises in His word that whoever needs wisdom simply has to ask it from Him and He will provide it. (James 1:5) (Luke 21:15)

One requires wisdom to see the answer here, real wisdom from God.

Earthly wisdom can make something seem good and harmless but that is dangerous because we learn in the Bible that God thinks nothing of the wisdom of the world. In fact, he holds it in derision. ( 1 Cor. 1:19)

The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God (1 Cor. 3:19)

Remember also that wisdom begins with the fear of the Lord (Proverbs 9:10)

What does that mean? Simply that Godly wisdom begins by acknowledging the One from whom everything comes and in whose Mercy, Grace, Love and Judgment we stand.

With all the above in view is it really important whether one views Freemasonry as a religion or not? I do not think so. To argue that Freemasonry is not a religion does not negate the facts or the issue in view.

Secondly, I pray the Lord will grant you the wisdom to apprehend the truth and the strength and courage to do what you should do, and that is to get out of there.

Thirdly, it is my prayer that the Lord will bless you will all spiritual blessings and that He will guard you and keep you.

Blessings,

A.

Col. 2:4  And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

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30 Responses to “A Matter of Viewpoint”

  1. stlmetrojobs Says:

    So then we should kill anyone with an opposing religious view to us? Or should we just deport them to another land?

    Maybe a better idea would be to enslave them and make them renounce their false gods in the public square? Oh I know, lets make them all wear little patches on their clothes so that we can make sure we aren’t sitting with them. I mean you never know when someone is praying and if I’m sitting next to one I might be forced to kill them because I think they’re praying

    How dare they put me in that position!

  2. earleyjk Says:

    Thank you for this post. My mother has been involved with the eastern star for over thirty years. I will share this message with her in my continued attempts to make her aware of the incompatibility of masonic organizations and biblical Christianity.

  3. earleyjk Says:

    Thank you for this post, which I will be sharing with a family member who claims to be a Christian, but has been an eastern star for well over 30 years.

  4. Eddie G. Says:

    Please reread your “proof” carefully:

    Freemasonry acknowledges all religions of the world as equal and give equal credence to each of them. One can be a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu or a Christian and all are equally welcome in Lodge. Freemasonry regards no religion as being superior to any other and leaves it to the individual member to decide for himself which religion to follow.

    Furthermore, in order to maintain this “tolerance” Freemasonry forbids discussions on religion inside Lodge, so “as not to offend” those brethren of the other religions.

    Yes Freemasonry acknowledges all religions as equal. It does not, however, require the individual Mason to do so! Substitute the expression “The U.S. Army” for “Freemasonry” in the above paragraph, and “the barracks” for “Lodge,” reread it, and see if you then have proof that no Christian can be a soldier! You will then see the absurdity of your argument.

    • anothermouse Says:

      You are not the first to try this illogical, nonsensical argument.

      Many have tried this silly argument before and it does not work.
      One can not make that comparrison; it is simply ludacrous.

      Why? Because for a start, the military and masonry has nothing to do with each other and are two very different entities all together.

      One (masonry) is a voluntary organization you join by choice, by exersizing your free will, it has no power over you unless you agree to it by joining them.

      The other (the military) is an organization that has power over you in which you as an individual has no say in the matter; there you have no free will. If they say jump you must jump, no arguments, and if you don’t like what they are doing you don’t have the luxury of choice to disagree and disengage yourself. Doing that is called TREASON.

      Starting to see the folly of your argument?

      God wants us to be obedient citizens regardless of whether they (our governments) are faultless or not and where our goverments neglect God’s law he will judge them seperately and not hold us accountable individually.

      He will judge us individually though for our own choices, for our own actions and decisions where we did indeed have full control over, like for instance the decision to join masonry.

      If masonry subscribes to things that are contrary to the will of God, why join them?

      If your military goes into an ungodly war and you get drafted you have NO choice in the matter. God will hold your goverment accountable, not you!

      Need I go on here?

      Again, if one is not really interseted in what God wants one will do his own thing anyway and come up with all kinds of silly arguments in defense.

      A.

      • Peach Says:

        Anothermouse your argument here is ubserd… We don’t have a draft. You have free will to join or not join the military just as you have free will to join or not join the Masonic fraternity.. So you ARE actually saying that anyone who of there own free will and accord joins the military is at odds with Christianity because the military is at odds with Christianity. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t pick and choose when God’s word applies and when it doesn’t?

      • anothermouse Says:

        Your military may not operate on a draft system at the moment, but at the first instant that it becomes necessary it will do just that and then you will see very quickly how much free will you have in reality.

      • Peach Says:

        Anolthermouse I suppose that’s your way of conceding the argument as presented…

  5. stlmetrojobs Says:

    Excellent point Eddie G, this guy doesn’t have a clue. His line of thinking is what lead to the concentration camps of WW2

    • anothermouse Says:

      Your comment came in after my reply above, yet I am curious to know how you tie my reasoning with WW2 concentration camps. Should be a facinating read. Please entertain us with your insights.

      🙂

      A.

  6. Eddie G. Says:

    @anothermouse, I think you are missing my point. It’s not about the Army having the power to coerce people. So let’s try this again with a different example:

    The Red Cross acknowledges all religions of the world as equal and give equal credence to each of them. One can be a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu or a Christian and all are equally welcome in its rescue work. The Red Cross regards no religion as being superior to any other and leaves it to the individual member to decide for himself which religion to follow.

    Furthermore, in order to maintain this “tolerance” the Red Cross forbids discussions on religion during its rescue work, so “as not to offend” those brethren of the other religions.

    My point is simply this: an organization may wish to welcome people with differing religious beliefs, and to give them a framework within which they can work together. To this end, the organization may choose to treat all religions as equal, and to disallow religious discussions and proselytizing within their offices and activities. In today’s United States, most organizations, both for-profit, such as corporations, and non-profit, such as the Red Cross, or the Freemasons, do exactly this.

    It is a gross distortion to say that a Christian who joins such an organization “checks his faith at the door” or even “denies Christ” by following these guidelines. They should be acceptable to anyone except those who seek to “witness” to the gospel by preaching at people at every opportune and inopportune moment like to make pests of themselves and are proud of it.

    Now it is true that the Masons are involved in character building and philosophy, and that they require a belief in a Supreme Being. In this they are similar to the Boy Scouts, whose Scout Law contains many moral principles, and which states: “A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.”

    … so when Masons gather to do work which, like that of the Scouts, is in keeping with the tenets of all the major religions, they pray together, asking the God who is the Father and Creator of all to help and guide them in their undertaking but avoid references to any particular faith. Only a fanatic or a bigot will regard this as “yoking believers to unbelievers.” This form of prayer is not anti-Christian because it lacks the name of Christ–so does the Lord’s Prayer!–but it is not enough to provide a full Christian spiritual life. This is why Masonry encourages each member to also attend his own house of worship.

    And one final point: no true Christian (or for that matter, no true Muslim or true Jew) regards all religions as equal. A Christian cannot view Mohammed as the equal of Jesus. A Muslim cannot accept the teachings of the Talmud as equal to those of Muhammad… and so on and so forth. The great religions do agree on many moral teachings such as love and compassion for one’s fellowman and the Fatherhood of God over all creation; and the world would be a better place if everyone followed them! But a true follower of Jesus, Mohammed, or the Rabbinical tradition cannot accept other teachings as equally valid to his own.

    There are, however, some people who do see all religions as equally valid. As best I can tell, they fall primarily into three categories (1) secular humanists, who see religions as great human achievements but not divinely inspired; (2) Unitarians, who believe in God but do not see any single religion as His unique revelation; (3) those who essentially believe what (2) says but don’t bother to join any church. Group (1) is expressly excluded from Masonry because it requires belief in a Supreme Being. Group (2) makes up only a tiny fraction of the U.S. population, and of Masonry as well, which in the U.S. is overwhelmingly made up of Christians, a goodly number of group (3) (just like the rest of U.S. society these days), plus a Jewish minority and a smattering of other beliefs.

    @anothermouse, from your other writings on the site I see that you were once a Mason, but when you adopted Christianity (I am virtually certain of some Evangelical denomination), you became convinced that you had to leave the lodge in order to be a true Christian.

    It is certainly correct that when faced with a choice between Christianity and some other grouping or allegiance, a Christian must and should choose the former. My own experience with Evangelicals (I am a committed Christian belonging to a mainstream Protestant denomination) is that they are Christians, but leap to judgmentalism and condemnation of what they perceive as outsiders or unbelievers at the drop of a hat–which is why their particular strain of Christianity is very unattractive to me. Had you remained in the lodge, you might have had the opportunity to demonstrate the love of Christ to your Masonic brethren through kindness and loving works. (This virtually always accomplishes more than adopting a listen-to-me-but-I-won’t-listen-to-you, I’m-right-you’re-wrong attitude, and using Christian scripture to shore it up). And you could have told them about how Christ has transformed your life–and shown respect for them by not trying to do it within the context of a lodge meeting. But it’s too late for that now [sigh]. And if past experience is any guide, you will not even consider what I am saying in this post, but will only search for counter-arguments. Another reason why I’m not an Evangelical is because I have not known them to be a very open-minded lot… but that’s another discussion … [sigh again] …

    • Peach Says:

      Amen Brother!

    • anothermouse Says:

      Eddie G,

      Thanks for your comment. I appreciate your effort in attempting to convey your viewpoint and I accept it as such; the viewpoint of Eddie G.

      In your comment you have in all honesty done nothing but repeated previously stated sentiments. It does not even approach closely to refute the main argument. Please recall the title of this post; “A Mater of Viewpoint”. I make the argument that from our human point of view certain things in life might look very good and laudable but looking at the same matter from God’s point of view, often in life, if we are honest, we have to admit that God would not agree with our assessment.

      Now if one is not really interested in what God would think of a matter, what difference does it make? Just go ahead and do your own thing anyway!

      But should one actually care about how God views a matter one would adjust one’s stance to be inline with what pleases God. There is no argument there, I am sure you will agree.

      In your comment above you did nothing to refute my argument!

      So who is really missing the point here?

      You say that if I remained in Lodge, “I could have had the opportunity to tell others about how Christ changed my life.” I beg to differ. In Lodge it is forbidden to talk about religious matters! In the same vain, to use the same sort of silly reasoning, if for example a Satanist accepts Christ and become a born again Christian, must he the remain in Satanism in order to reach his friends that are still in there?

      Anothermouse.

      • Peach Says:

        I think Eddie G”a point was that you could have witnessed to them before or after the lodge meeting. You would be doing a great service to men who might not be Christians at all like Muslim’s or Sieks or Jews by working to get them to accept Jesus rather than your current path of misrepresenting Masonry and demonizing the Masonic Freaternity. Telling men who are already Christians that their souls are in peril by quoting various scriptures to justify your misrepresentations is a very old ploy. Do you deny that my Lord Jesus knows what’s in my heart and in the hearts of my Christian Masonic brothers? Ultimately we will be judged by what is in our hearts.

  7. stlmetrojobs Says:

    Because following your logic the same should apply to government, local, state and federal. It would apply to the baseball stadium, it would apply to the public pool or the public park. Does it matter if they are praying or should we not sit with them at anytime?

    Following your logic, either we should leave and lock ourselves in small communities where we know all to be Christians or we should force those that aren’t out. Or at the very least be able to identify them so we don’t sit in the same building as them.

    Following your logic a nice yellow Star of David on their sleeve should do the job, or a Cresent Moon & Star if their Muslim. Once that’s done then is walking down the same street as them ok? Should we lock them up? We would have to build cities for them, and those aren’t cheap. I guess we could confiscate their worldly possessions to pay for these new cities that we built just for them. Still not enough to pay for it huh, well then they can perform work in these cities to pay for their construction. After a while though we just aren’t going to be able to afford their upkeep and we might as well just do away with them.

    Your not advocating for all that, I know. Your logic played out leads directly to this though.

    Back to the issue of the military. Our military is 100% volunteer, if I signed up and served my tour of duty and discovered that other people pray to other gods or that we are in an unjust war and I reenlist is that looked down upon by God? So following that logic are not every enlisted man and woman in this country who has served their full term and reenlisted in violation of Gods wishes? Also I might add that it’s not terribly difficult to get out of the US military.

    • anothermouse Says:

      Your military might be 100% volunteer, it still can not be compared to an organization like Freemasonry that has very strong religious overtones to its operations. Your government is a secular organization that is EXPECTED to allow a place in the sun for all creeds. Any other secular organization should in all fairness be expected to do the same. And no matter what their official policy is on any matter, if it is in conflict with God’s expressed will that we can perceive from studying Scripture, then there is a problem! One can either try to ignore it or face it and deal with it. Ultimately, we will all have to give an account one day about what we did with it, or what we didn’t do with it.

      And sorry to say, you still have not explained how my “logic” ties up to WW2 concentration camps.

      Anothermouse.

      • Peach Says:

        You just killed your own argument. Freemasonry like the government IS a secular organization. There is a difference between a philosophy and a religion. You seem to not understand this. FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION!!!

      • anothermouse Says:

        If Freemasonry is secular, how come you open and close meetings with prayer?

      • Peach Says:

        We say prayer at the beginning of a lodge meeting for the same reason that The United States Congress and Virtually every state government in the US begins their sessions with a prayer. Are you now going to argue that the US government is a religious organization?

      • Dcomer Says:

        If Government is secular why does congress, most city meetings, state congresses open and close with a prayer? Your falling apart here brother.

      • anothermouse Says:

        Does your Congress open its sessions with prayer? I honestly doubt it but I am always open to surprises. I really don’t think that they do.

      • Dcomer Says:

        Imma stop there at 6 videos of Congress being opened on a prayer. Several Christian, A Islamic Imman, A Jewish Rabbi. Let me know if this isn’t enough cause there is a ton more examples I can cite.

      • anothermouse Says:

        I humbly apologize. I was honestly under the impression that they don’t. But now I am deeply distressed. So they even get an Islamic Imam to open with prayer, to Allah, I presume (it was not evident in your video clip).

        The important thing to remember is this; where do you and I stand with God in our personal relationship with Him. It does not help to say but they did it all this way and those people there did it all that way. The Lord gave us His Spirit and His Word in the form of the Bible to guide us. That will ultimately be the measure by which we will all be judged, regardless of any human traditions, however well intended.

        Blessings,
        A.

      • Dcomer Says:

        Your apology is most certainly accepted. I agree that the measure is that we will judged individually at the pearly gates and not by the associations that we kept.

        I am extremely proud to be a Free Mason. To know that the traditions that we keep have been handed down for generations and that we have had a real impact on history. I hear people on occasion speaking as you did and it always boils down to they were taught that Free Masonry is a religion in and of itself. Which is of course false.

        I know this was only one point in your argument and I’m sure that you have other questions and need some time to consider them but I would wager your old lodge would welcome you back with open arms. While your there look into the Knights Templar which is the Christian wing of the Masons. I think you would find some great fellowship there.

      • anothermouse Says:

        You are wrong if you think we will not be judged by the associations we kept. Just look at Psalm 1:1 and there are many other examples of Scripture that confirm this.
        I am still in contact with many of my erstwhile Brethren and although they might accept me back, returning to Lodge is not an option I would ever consider for well stated reasons.
        But we seem to be caught in a circular argument that is leading nowhere.
        Can I ask you a serious question, Darrel? What is Jesus to you exactly? How serious are you with your relationship with Jesus? I implore you to read this testimony of a fellow Brother that is also a Christian. He explains it very clearly and without any malice whatsoever. Ask yourself then again; are you really so sure that Freemasonry is okay with God?
        When we all face our Lord on the day of Judgment, how will you for instance defend the Masonic plan of Salvation that states that admission into heaven is earned by good works (100% against what the Bible teaches) or the fact that Freemasonry teaches that there are many ways to get to heaven, whilst Jesus taught just the opposite. That same author explains this dilemma in this article.
        Blessings,
        A.

      • Peach Says:

        “The important thing to remember is this; where do you and I stand with God in our personal relationship with Him.”

        That’s one of the few things I agree with you on.

        Freemasonry does not change or diminish my personal relationship with him.

        How we will ultimately be judged is based on our relationship with Him.

      • Dcomer Says:

        We are caught in a circular argument, yours. Pretty much the entire argument was that Masonry was a religion and that being a Christian you could not be a Mason too. Masonry is not a religion and you have all but conceded that point by not being able to answer any one of the several examples & questions that have been posed to you. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe about anything you want to believe. You however are trying to make a logical argument for your assertions and have failed. In my mind you have lost the argument whether you choose to concede or not.

        I see no need for my further involvement in this conversation. I wish you the best and God Bless.

  8. Peach Says:

    I find it interesting that you did not really answe the question of the poster. He wasn’t asking you for an answer as to what goes on in a Masonic lodge and how he should react. He asked you how he should or you would react when the things you are claiming to be at odds with Christianity in a Masonic lodge are done in the rest of the secular world. I’ll ask again and please answer the questions directly and plainly this time. How should we react when a prayer is said in a secular environment and we don’t know the religious persuasion or beliefs of those around us? For example at a sporting event? 60 thousand people at a football game asked to have a moment of silence or to pray for one reason or another are bound to have some Hindu’s or Jew’s or Muslims that don’t accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Is the NFL or NCAA at odds with Chritianity. When I played high school football here in Texas we would have a prayer after the game led by our coach. I know for a fact that some of they players who prayed were not praying to Jesus but were praying to the god of the Jews or even Muslims. Does that mean Texas high school football is from the devil? I am old enough to remember when prayer was allowed in public schools. Before lunch each day we kids all bowed our heads and recited “God is great, God is good, let us thank him for our food.”. Not everyone who was in my class saying that prayer with me was Christian. Some were Jewish, some Muslim, some were even Budhist. By your argument The State of Texas and the Texas Public School system was at odds with Christianity and we should all denounce our citizenship. I am to assume because you failed to answer the posters question to you that you are in favor of taking prayer out of school. Otherwise these poor kids would fall into the trap of sin by saying group prayers with children who may differ with them religiously. Is that your position? Is it also your position that anyone who uses US currency or coinage that says “In God We Trust” is in a state of sin and in need of salvation because our money doesn’t specify that the “God” on our money is Jesus Christ? I’m assuming that you think one nation under God should be stricken from the pledge of allegiance for the same reasons? If you do not believe these things then please answer the questions. Our country is founded on a principle of religious freedom and toleration. Our government uses God in our money, our national monuments, our pledges. Our government says prayers to a deity not identified as Jesus Christ because by law we are a country open to men of all faiths and creeds. Our government has rituals in our military and in our courts of law as well as oaths oftentimes invoking the name of God though not specific as to which God. Is it your assertion then that the great many men and women who have given up their lives in defense of this country did so in vain because they gave it up for a country of godless lies? Is this your assertion? I believe whether you realize it or not this IS your assertion. I believe you would do better work for Christ by witnessing the good news of our Lord to non-believers rather than telling lies and misrepresenting Freemasonry.

    • Peach Says:

      I left out the Statue of Liberty. Certainly this is an idol. It is a statue of the pagen Roman goddess Libertas, the goddess of freedom. Should we tear down this idol and should everyone who has visited Lady Liberty or seen her torch a blaze and felt the pride of our nation in their heart confess and ask Gods forgiveness for their idolatry?

  9. Dcomer Says:

    No, my example of the military did not presume that a soldier resigned and reenlisted. I am asking if they re enlist after their tour of duty is over. You know that a member of the military reenlists every few years as their prior obligation has ended.

    Peach laid my argument out better than I did and you failed to answer those questions. Your logic cannot stop at the lodge and must include all the events I brought forth and all the examples that peach brought to the table. If it doesn’t then you are a hypocrite who is picking and choosing where to apply Gods word and where not to.

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